Place Details - Categorized in: Report a Problem

esd:

The simple test I did exporting from Legacy with default export options resulted in the same situation as you had, where Behold did not seem to report every place. But when I looked in the GEDCOM file Legacy produced, I saw there were a number of people marked PRIVATE with no events or places attached to them.

Do you have any individuals market Private in your file? if so, you have to override Legacy's default options to get all the data into the GEDCOM. In Legacy, in the GEDCOM Export window, go to the Privacy tab. In the bottom left section where it says "Override Private Settings", check all the boxes (there's 8 of them in Legacy 7.5). Then try the export and load that into Behold. If that exports all the people and places to the GEDCOM, then Behold should get them all.

Please let me know if that works.

The bottom line is that Behold can't read any data that is not in the GEDCOM.

Louis

So let me understand. You want an option to sort places either "the correct way" or "the wrong way". Behold sorts the correct way so that you can correct your mistakes.

Is there a reason under the Place details as to why you would want events sorted by date first? I cannot see a reason because there are no records that are date ordered. You always look up Birth records, or Marriage records, etc. I really need to know a useful purpose for something, because believe or not, extra options and extra features complicate and confuse people.

Louis

I'm reading back my last post. I hope I didn't sound terse. I didn't mean to.

I just wanted to say that I'm trying to present your data in Behold in the most useful way possible. If Behold isn't reading your data as you thought you had entered it, then no other program will either. That's why it's important that you correct your data. One day you'll want to export it and you'll have problems unless it's corrected.

Display wise - I've put lots of thought into the display. The intention is to make the display most useful for research purposes. I try on purpose not to give a lot of options on the display. How many times are you totally confused by the multitude of options in Legacy's reports? All you want is for it to produce what you want but you can't get it for all the options. Sometimes less is more, as long as the less is defined correctly 99% of the time.

I am very open to ideas. Many of my ideas come from users. In fact there's a good one I got today which I'm going to implement and mention on my blog post tonight.

But the idea has got to fit in with the overall design of Behold and its purpose: To present your data in a simple single Everything Report designed to help you understand your data and do your research.

Louis

Yes, Legacy corrects your data for you. I don't understand how it might do it. It's not just a matter of adding a comma at the end. It has to know one is missing. That means it has to know that is a State abbreviation at the end.

What if it's a State name instead, e.g. Texas instead of TX. Will it add the comma at the end of that as well? But if it does, then will Texas and TX be sorted together? Or will it now change Texas to TX for you? What about North Carolina and N. Carolina and N Carolina and NC. Will they be all corrected and go together? What if you have TX, USA? Will it take off the USA so that it will be together with the TX?

It's not as clear cut as you make it seem. And the bottom line is that because Legacy is correcting your data for you, but NOT exporting the corrected data, you don't even realize that its doing that and you'll be sunk if you have to transfer it to another program or give it to someone who uses another program. That program may totally mangle the places when it reads it in giving you an impossible mess - and you might not realize it until its too late, because Legacy just "fixed" it for you.

That's why I don't think its right.

But I do agree that you have a good reason for place details to be sorted by date first. I've had a bit of trouble deciding which way to primarily sort. I first added the events. And later I added the dates - so they were done that way and I initially justified to myself that it was the right way for research. But I had contemplated being able to flip the levels. If I did do that, it would be an Organize option, but it would also be an instant flip tool, like the show Selected / show All tags button. It would require changes to the database structure to allow the instant flip - so it is more possible, but a bit more involved to program.

I do have to be careful about options. I'm trying to keep Behold as simple to use as possible, but the Organization features are already overwhelming to many people. The fact that you do nothing but input your GEDCOM and get everything organized and displayed is the first step. I'm trying to set it up for editing, and the more options I add at this step, the more difficult the editing will be. On the other hand, the longer I wait to add any option, e.g. until after editing, the harder it will be to add it. It's really not easy. I am trying to do my best.

And I really do apologize because it sounds like you were insulted by what I said. I'm sorry.

Louis